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Plans to make D&D 5th edition have been officially announced as of yesterday, alongside a potential offering to work with the D&D community.

Read about WotC's stance here: NY Times: "Dungeons & Dragons Remake Uses Players' Input"

And read Mike Mearls' thoughts here: Charting the Course for D&D

Second link also provides access to sign up for playtesting and be a part of the current creative process for D&D 5th edition.

As it stands, Wizards of the Coast appears to be offering only part of the olive branch to the tabletop community. They have a definitive interest in improving the sales of their product, but it is difficult to tell how sincere is their desire to make an improved and enjoyable game.

Bloggers have expressed mistrust of the gesture and numerous voices for older editions of the game have already cast their vote as uninterested in partaking in the venture. Initial information from WotC suggests that playtesting the game blind may be the extent of what they want in terms of fan input, which might not be enough.

Some responses to the announcement:

Jeff Rients: Open Letter to WotC - Calling for WotC to prove their sincerity by making the .pdfs of elder editions available again, in order to encourage their playtesters to be well-informed.

GeekDad: 5th Edition D&D is in development-- should we care? - Hoping for a system that will actually work with the playtesters and stand a chance of uniting the D&D community instead of further fragmenting it.

It appears that the recently re-hired Monte Cook and Mike Mearls may be heavily involved with the creation of this product.

(Any other sources or input that can be linked will be added to this post as an update!)

Date: Tuesday, January 10th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
You know, after all the money I've invested in 4th ed. books, my DM had better not announce a move to 5th ed. That's all I'm saying.

Date: Tuesday, January 10th, 2012 08:36 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: by me (hobby dice)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
I've noticed that about the D&D ptb, though. 3rd edition was released in 2000. 3.5 was released on 2003. 4th was released in 2008, and Essentials (with its super short shelf life) was released in 2010. It's all a very short shelf life ever since they moved from AD&D 2nd edition to 3rd edition. (My baby brother is a die hard 2nd ed. gamer.)

They've been releasing 4th ed. books this whole time, but now we're going to move to a 5th edition. I still can't imagine how they're going to release it this year if they're going to do playtesting and editing too. I...hesitate to consider the quality of the finished product.

You're right about the buy-in. I've managed to purchase about 3/4 of what I own in used format, either off Amazon or from Half Price Books, but they're still terribly expensive. I understand that they wanted to split things up because you need to have continual product releases in order to keep your series profitable. I just question the wisdom of moving to an entirely separate edition and requiring new purchases, and splitting the fanbase further.

Plus the character generator? Oh, I don't know if I even want to get started on the character generator.

Date: Tuesday, January 10th, 2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: by me (hobby dice)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
Character creation in 4th ed. is very, very complicated. I could probably do it with pencil and paper now that I've been playing the game for several years, but, when I first started playing it, there was no way I could understand it.

WotC created its own character generator, which you could download to your computer, but it would only let you create up to 3rd level characters unless you had a Dragon magazine subscription. If you had a subscription, it let you download semi-regular updates which included all the book information. It was a really lovely system, and, if you let your subscription lapse, you could still use the generator for characters over 3rd level (you just didn't get updates).

This apparently didn't work for WotC (too many people sharing Dragon accounts for the generator, probably), because they sidelined the generator, stopped updating it, and created a web-based generator that required an active Dragon subscription to even use.

I am...displeased at being required to keep an active subscription to something in order to update my character sheet, especially when I would only want to use it once a level - and the levels take increasingly longer to reach. The Dragon articles aren't good enough to justify the subscription, I have to admit.

I enjoy the 4th edition rules system, but I think I'm the most rp-heavy roleplayer in my gaming group. The rest of them prefer crunchy game mechanic stuff (which I enjoy, but it's not the only thing I like in the game), to the point where our cleric falls asleep during roleplay scenes. (He's very good as a strategist, though.)

I miss doing a lot of roleplay. Even talking down an opponent is turned into a skill challenge. (Things I do not care about: Skill challenges.)

But, to be fair, I hated AD&D and AD&D 2nd edition. That's not the fault of the gaming company necessarily, but I started playing when I was 11 and I had no one around to teach me the rules. It was awfully difficult to learn the rules on my own, and finding a group to play with was difficult. ("Girls don't play D&D unless their boyfriends or their brothers make them." Hah.) So I found AD&D 2nd edition to be very overwhelming. 3rd edition and 3.5 were more streamlined, ruleswise, at least, in my opinion. When I don't have to worry about the rules being overwhelming, I can focus on the story.

Date: Wednesday, January 11th, 2012 06:53 pm (UTC)
gridlore: A Roman 20 sided die, made from green stone (Gaming - Roman d20)
From: [personal profile] gridlore
I strongly suspect that 5th Edition is going to look a lot like 3.5/Pathfinder. I also think that this is a last gasp for the venerable D&D line; as many players put off by the changes in 4E have gone to Pathfinder or to one of the many "Old School" options.

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